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Silencer Influence on Bullet Stability

One of the most important aspects of Crux Suppressors is the suppressors ability to shoot the same place.  No other suppressor on the market performs like we do in this area.  It has to do with the technology we use combined with the design for manufacturability that we developed.  

In this video I break down how the pursuit of achieving the quietest suppressor on the market inevitably yields inaccuracy.  How changing a different endcap shows where other suppressors lack in technology and how they depend on the bore hole size.  And how these characteristics that other approaches use kills long range accuracy.


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[00:03] Today I'm going to talk about suppressors and accuracy and bullet stability. So here's the deal, when we make a barrel threading anything, there's a tolerance. Okay? We, we're going to dial things in the best that we can. When gunsmiths are doing their work, they're getting down to two, ten thousandths of an inch when they're doing their chamber work. Now, when whenever they thread the muzzle, um, a lot of times you're just putting a brake on so you're not, a lot of the guys are going to want to be, um, they're going to think like, well, I don't need to put that much accuracy and it can be .0005" that gunsmith chooses. It can be .001" which is still stinking accurate even .002" and most, most machining worlds is going to be accurate. And to be honest with you, like if a gunsmith can do that and you can shoot tiny tiny groups and the rifle platform performs that is showing that data point that is significant, that it's okay right now.

[01:05] The problem comes in to is if it doesn't, okay, then you have to tighten things up. And that's a, that's where the gunsmiths learn and everybody learns, well, here's the deal. You have different products. Okay, what if, what if a product, I'll have you consider that, what if a product already took this into consideration and their design, they considered all gunsmiths and all capabilities throughout the country and can they make their design robust enough to handle that variation? That's what we do at Crux. Okay, and here's how we were able to, approach this discussion, this topic, and how our technology works and how we get sound decimal reductions with shooting the same exact place and not affect your accuracy like other suppressors do. So it's inherent into the design and how they approach the problem. So here's the deal, we got a barrel that barrel has a bore down it and we thread that to the bore.

[02:07] Now there's even discussions and topics about how do you indicate that, you know, are you indicating it off? Do you just the chamber on the back, there is a curvature to the bore. Okay. Do you do it right there? Do you do it right here, you know, are you indicating with you're indicating rod here or are you indicating with your indicator rod there? Because they're going to be different places because that bore moves. Okay. So some guys will actually dial this in to where the last couple of inches is perfectly straight. Other guys will dial this in, in and dial the back end of the barrel over here in. Right with the curvature of the boar over the, over the center. Okay. So there's, rifles that have been done both ways. This shoot lights out. Okay. These theoretical discussions well could affect what the suppressor does.

[03:04] Okay. And you couple, you put on different manufacturers who have different ways of thinking, ideologies and it behaves completely different versus the different ideologies of the gunsmiths and how the, how the, suppressors are built. So this tolerance is then married up with a tolerance of the threading of the break or the suppressor mounts. Okay. Then the suppressor around has a tolerance of how it attaches a suppressor too, so as if you're talking about dead center, you got your first tolerance. This is going to have at tolerance angle there. You got the next one that has a wider because the tolerances are adding to one another and you have a wider angle here. Now by the time the can and the bullet, the bullet goes out the can over here. It is seeing a wider tolerance angle of those machine features.

[04:06] The farther it goes because it's like a lever, okay, and the the angle is greater, the farther out you go. Okay, here it's very small. Now here's where the problem comes in. You have the bullet traveling down the center of the suppressor. That's what we hope for. Anyway. The problem is is because of all the machining and all the multiple parties that are involved, the bullet does not travel down the center of the suppressor. It's impossible. Okay, so as the bullet, if we have the bullet traveling on this side a little bit closer over here, down the center line of the suppressor, then what's gonna happen is, is the air over here, there's a wider gap over here that is going to rush out of the way.

[05:04] on the side, much faster than over here and when that happens you are creating the definition of an aircraft wing air travel slower on the bottom side of the aircraft wing and whenever it travels faster, that's a reason why it's curved on the top is because the air is traveling over here all at the same speed will to get around and over. This thing, it has to travel faster over the top because it's got a farther distance to go. Okay? You create lift on the bottom. Okay, so what happens is you create lift on this side of the bullet here.

[05:49] Now what are we always trying to achieve when we're doing suppressors? We are trying to achieve the quietest suppressor on the market. How do you do that? You take the borehole size, that's why they have in caps that are always a smaller, well, you're only doing that in cap on the very exit. You're not doing that. That same. You're not changing the whole diameter of the for each baffled game and they see that it gets quieter because they put it in a smaller end cap on the back on the end, right? Well, they're trying to get that borehole size smaller and smaller and smaller without having too much effect on accuracy. Okay, so as they get these more smaller, what's happening to the accuracy of the can? It's reducing. It's going down because it's impossible to make it okay. It's impossible to make it on center, and the air is now rushing faster and faster off one side. What that is going to do, let's see here, is going to take this boat tail hollow point or whatever. Whatever bullet you have here, okay, and it's going to create and put a force on the side of this bullet, which is going to then destabilized that bullet.

[07:13] What happens we see, extremely long range shooting is you're not going to see this at a hundred yards. You're going to see this at 200 yards, even 300 yards. It's debatable the bullet comes out, even if it's, if even if it's unstable, it has a force applied to it. It weather vanes out the air, traveling across it, weather vanes that that bullet out and it gets. It becomes more stable again, and the problem is when it starts slowing down, going at longer range below is going to slow back down. When the bullets start slowing back down and the rotational forces a bullet start slowing back down that inherent y'all that was put in at the beginning, comes back to the bullet, okay? Which then after things start slowing down, opens up your group sizes, okay? On your targets, you're going to have less impacts at distance, at long range, whenever you have bullets that don't travel down the center line, okay?

[08:15] Now the way we solve that one is with our conical mounts in the way we machine these things. From the this threading to this threading and the conical mountain is all machine in the same process. That's important because every time you change a process and you have to reset up, that's where the inaccuracy come from. So we're going to keep that to a minimum. The other thing is, is that our bore hole sizes are some of the largest in the industry because our technology is not as dependent on the size of the bore. We're making those tornadoes. So whenever have a baffle system here. And the technology is, is that you're using are tornado to do it. The whole could be larger in size versus smaller in size and it wants to stay in the tornado. We're not as dependent. It still has a factor, a Saxon9 versus a Saxon.

[09:21] Yes, it's louder, right? But that nine millimeter borehole size versus another pistol can, um, that has that nine millimeter bolt borehole size on a 338 Lapua magnum or a norma magnum is significantly quieter. Then then say other traditional baffle systems, that's where the inaccuracy, the instability comes from. One is the machining processes of how it's made, the multiple hands that are touching it, putting this, making all this happen, but our cans are designed to, to accommodate all that because when other people can only deviate by one or two percent off a center line, we can deviate 15, 20 percent off center line and it never affects accuracy. That's huge. That's very important. That's one of the reasons why our can shoot the same place every single time. So do you have any questions? Leave comments below. Contact customer service at and we'll get you all taken care of, but I guarantee you this is going to be your favorite suppressor that you own. So get yours today. There's a lot more behind our suppressors that's working to give you that experience that we're here to give you. Let's leave the legacy with you and your family. Let's have some great times, some great experiences and, and get this done. So contact us today, get yours and we'll take care of you. Got Any questions, let us know.


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